Comments on: Why The Dark Knight Rises failed https://cliqueclack.com/p/dark-knight-rises-failed/ Big voices. Little censors. Fri, 10 Apr 2015 14:43:24 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.1.1 By: Gabriel https://cliqueclack.com/p/dark-knight-rises-failed/#comment-219 Thu, 20 Sep 2012 11:00:12 +0000 https://cliqueclack.com/p/?p=158#comment-219 Finally, an honest dissection of the dark knight rises…

I think the author really captured the essence of the sense that despite all the hustle and bustle in the film, at its core, it seemed like kind of a non-event … like I was never really that worried or terrified about what was taking place, like oh its just cuddly bane and his loveable minions…

Please, fanboys, lay off the scathing attacks and death threats. I noticed that a good number of the more cogent non-obsessed people still agreed with the author. When you get this much hatemail, you know you are probably doing something right, i.e. saying something that badly needs to be sad.

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By: Ruby https://cliqueclack.com/p/dark-knight-rises-failed/#comment-51 Mon, 17 Sep 2012 04:28:23 +0000 https://cliqueclack.com/p/?p=158#comment-51 I actually loved TDKR, but wow – where are all these overly defensive fans coming from? It’s embarrassing to read such hostile, petulant comments from random TDKR “fans,” especially on a site like CliqueClack which usually has very classy, well-mannered, intelligent commenters. If you are a true fan of TDKR, please show it by not acting like a total dick on the comment boards!

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By: Christina Furtado https://cliqueclack.com/p/dark-knight-rises-failed/#comment-50 Mon, 17 Sep 2012 04:04:19 +0000 https://cliqueclack.com/p/?p=158#comment-50 First of all, I don’t see why people have to take differing opinions from their own so personally. If everyone thought the same way, life would be boring, and no evaluations of an art form can be subjective.

While I liked this movie, I too felt it had problems, from the indiscriminate use of the VERY recognizable bits of NYC skyline (though some scenes were clearly filmed in Chicago) to the way Bane was made into Robespierre. I think Nolan wanted to tell a specific story here, and that it wasn’t really a Batman story.

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By: Mike B https://cliqueclack.com/p/dark-knight-rises-failed/#comment-49 Mon, 17 Sep 2012 03:00:03 +0000 https://cliqueclack.com/p/?p=158#comment-49 Jeremy, Batman is my Favorite Superhero and I completely agree with you. Compared to The Dark Knight, this movie is a failure. The Dark Knight intimately understood Batman and the Joker. In a way that is near perfection. The Dark Knight Rises completely Fucked up Bruce and Batman. There are more problems with this movie and it just was askew in a way that I don’t think it was ment to be. Bruce would never give up. In alternate universes he has solved crime and discovered alternate dimensions to travel to that still have crime. Giving up is not in Bruces’ blood. Then you have John Blake, who really is the best character in the movie, but there “in the eyes” is really “great” detective work. There are a hundred reasons to know Bruce is Batman, his eyes is one of the weakest. Talia was so Obvious. There are surprising villain turns, and then there is this one. It was so obvious from the beginning, Talia is Talia’n it up. Making baby Damion. They should have revealed her a lot earlier on to Bruce and the audience and then build and used that tension that she could kill Fox and Gordon at any time because they had no reason to not trust her. It doesn’t work when she reveals herself at the end almost like she expected Bruce to escape and come back. The Dark Knight Rises as a movie is weaker. The Avengers is far superior. Marvel is building a better movie universe. DC needs a better plan than what they have, because among TV, Movies, and Comics, I would only rate DC above Marvel in one media and that is in TV. Young Justice and DC Nation is far superior to Marvels’ Universe. Although, Marvel Universe has the superior shorts. Regardless, of Nolan’s trilogy Dark Knight Rises is the weakest of the three. It was such a great series, and Rises is still a really good movie, but it’s just the weakest.

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By: Sabrina https://cliqueclack.com/p/dark-knight-rises-failed/#comment-47 Mon, 17 Sep 2012 01:22:22 +0000 https://cliqueclack.com/p/?p=158#comment-47 Pete, what the actual fuck? That is not The Dark Knight Rises. Please keep your inner comicbook fanboy to yourself. That was completely pointless. Don’t alter the movie in anyway. Please and thank-you.

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By: Chuck https://cliqueclack.com/p/dark-knight-rises-failed/#comment-46 Sun, 16 Sep 2012 23:54:29 +0000 https://cliqueclack.com/p/?p=158#comment-46 Yeah, he wasn’t talking about failing financially, he was talking about failing artistically. Every point you make relates to money, whereas the actual article — which mentions how successful the movie has been at the box office — talks about the film’s shortcomings in plot and execution. And you have to admit, there hasn’t been the same “this movie should win Best Picture at the Oscars” mania as the last one got.

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By: Pete https://cliqueclack.com/p/dark-knight-rises-failed/#comment-43 Sun, 16 Sep 2012 20:17:11 +0000 https://cliqueclack.com/p/?p=158#comment-43 All this movie had to do to be great:

THE BEGINNING: Batman has been fighting crime since we last saw him in TDK, though in a very weakened and diminished state; he is only dealing with your run-of-the-mill criminals, so he gets by. Alfred presents the idea that he should retire, but knows in the back of his mind that Wayne will never give up being Batman, because Batman is who he is; it’s what keeps him alive. Alfred and Wayne both know that the only way he could ever give up being Batman is if some outside entity forces him into doing so by drastically altering his life (i.e., through death OR revealing his identity to the point of rendering an alter ego useless).

ENTER BANE — this is our outside entity who is going to change Wayne’s life, BY FORCE.

1.) BLOW THE LID OFF: Yes. You have to literally tear down Bruce Wayne’s world. Revealing his identity to Gotham is one way of going about it. The LOS present a perfect lever for achieving this: arrive in Gotham, announce your plan of destroying the city, and reveal Batman’s identity to the public. Therefore, Bruce Wayne is exposed both in terms of having to deal with this new terrorist threat and the entire police force that is on their way to Wayne Manor to arrest the Batman. What will Wayne do? I don’t know, but this is what I call TENSION. The LOS are highly trained and highly efficient: they come to Gotham and do what they should: expose Bruce Wayne’s identity to get Batman out of the way, and race to get the bomb detonated. Now, Bruce Wayne has to deal with becoming the Batman quite literally by shedding Bruce Wayne, escaping the police by abandoning the manor with Alfred, and at the same time race against time to keep the LOS from setting off a bomb THAT THEY PROMISE WILL WIPE GOTHAM OFF THE MAP. Again, this is TENSION.

2.) JOHN BLAKE, the hot new cop on the scene, leads the police assault against Bruce Wayne. Blake keeps in contact with the LOS at all-times; he is working for them. BANE is focused on the task at hand, but is so consumed with narscicistic and nihilistic tendencies that he compromises the LOS’ plan by wanting to fight the Batman. He knows that the police will be too slow for Bruce Wayne, intentionally thwarts his capture in the hopes to face him alone, one on one — he looks forward to and savors the moment.

3.) MIRANDA TATE takes over the Wayne board, etc. Has a relationship with Wayne. Finds him irresistible. Wayne sees a possible long lasting love.

4.) JOHN BLAKE goes about his business but is really double guessing his involvement with the LOS. He is compassionate at his core and questions what he’s doing with the LOS, rejecting most of their methods but reveling in some — he has a soft spot for people and their freedom at justice — he begrudgingly accepts the LOS mentality, but he questions authority (just like Bruce Wayne rejects the command to execute the prisoner in BB under LOS training). Bane has general disdain for Blake, but accepts him as he is initiated into the LOS under the auspices of Ras al Ghul’s successor (who is yet to be revealed). Bane is skeptical of Blake because he wasn’t taken in by Ras, but taken in after Ras’ demise by his successor. Blake has killed people, but he regrets it — he has been brainwashed into thinking that this is how you fight crime. Blake has a respect for Batman.

5.) THE POLICE CORNER BRUCE WAYNE — Blake is the one who confronts Bruce, revealing that he works for the LOS, and that his real name is AZRAEL. Blake brings Wayne to Bane — they fight; Bane kicks his ass. Is imprisoned with the rest of Gotham’s wealthy. Bruce Wayne is BROKEN.

6.) BANE makes his case to the public, telling of an uprising — most of the police force side with Bane, the rest form a fringe — the citizens have turned against each other, those who support Bane and those who don’t.

7.) Wayne tells Azrael his story; they have similar backgrounds. Azrael has sympathy for Wayne. Says he wants to break from LOS, but doesn’t know how. Wayne gives him the option: Azrael accepts.

8.) Wayne finds Alfred in the bunker with Azrael. Alfred is relieved. Wayne has a plan.

9.) Batman gets back in the game. Beats Bane. Finds out Miranda is Talia. She gives him the option of joining her and says that she isn’t angered by her father’s death and the fact that Batman killed him, but instead admires Batman for this; she wants him to join her; says that he will have what he always wanted: a lover and crime wiped clean form Gotham. Batman rejects love because he can’t reconcile that with the death of millions. Talia fights him. Batman Kills her (indirectly) proceeds to displace the bomb, but not before half the city is blown apart, DYING in the process. Half the city is saved thanks to Batman’s actions.

IN THE COURSE OF THESE EVENTS:

GORDON DIES

FOX DIES

ALFRED COMES CLOSE, BUT DOESN’T DIE.

Foley is hailed as a hero and becomes the NEW COMISSIONER — Foley has newfound respect for the Batman and wishes he was still ALIVE. Remembers Gordon’s words that everyone will always need a friend like Batman to help fight evil.

Batman/Bruce Wayne is immortalized in the city. Gotham can’t believe that Bruce Wayne was the Batman. Some still don’t believe it even after it was publicly revealed.

Gotham’s finest attend Bruce Wayne’s funeral service. A somber moment. Foley is there.

CUT TO:

UNKNOWN EUROPEAN VILLA – DAY

Alfred is there. So is Bruce Wayne. HE SURVIVED. Alfred explains that maybe it took something that bad to happen (Fox dying, Gordon dying, half the city dying) for him to give up being Batman. Either that OR your death. And as bad as what happened is, I’m Glad it wasn’t the latter. I’m GLAD you are ALIVE. Bruce explains that even though he’s given up Batman out of necessity, there always has to be a BATMAN. Gotham will be rebuilt. It will get back up. And inevitably things will go wrong again. And there ALWAYS will be a BATMAN. Alfred doesn’t know what this means and we-

CUT TO:

GOTHAM

Half the city is a skeleton of its former self, but already buildings are being rebuilt, structures in the process of RISING. Half the city intact while half, burned to a char, being built to catch up… A WOUND… HEALING….

Foley on the rooftop of the GDP. Looking over files. He spots something: A BRAND NEW BAT SIGNAL. He looks to the sky…

MOVING OVER GOTHAM

Through the half intact cityscape. RISING up to where we see a lone figure standing a top a skyscraper, looking over the city… Batman… watching… a new protector… RISING….. it is AZRAEL and we –

CUT TO BLACK.

THE DARK KNIGHT RISES

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By: Truth https://cliqueclack.com/p/dark-knight-rises-failed/#comment-42 Sun, 16 Sep 2012 20:03:22 +0000 https://cliqueclack.com/p/?p=158#comment-42 Give the Avengers three movies and lets see how the third movie does. As far as I’m concerned the third one was a masterpiece considering how they did that most movie franchises couldn’t do: keep things fresh and interesting in the third movie of a trilogy. Sure, there was moments of bad acting and plot holes but name a movie that doesnt have that. Avengers, the biggest selling movie of all time had bad acting, plot holes and even lacked a storyline (aliens want to take over earth for no reason given) and yet that was considered a success? Bullshit. TDKR will be looked back on as a success because it didn’t water down the trilogy. Avengers and other franchises can only hope to be as successful.

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By: Ashley https://cliqueclack.com/p/dark-knight-rises-failed/#comment-41 Sun, 16 Sep 2012 19:54:43 +0000 https://cliqueclack.com/p/?p=158#comment-41 Wow.. shut up. This is the most idiotic article I have ever read. The Dark Knight Rises failed?? Yeah, okay sure. You think what you want, but just know that you are wrong. How can you argue with facts? Grossed more than The Dark Knight, especially after one of the worst shootings in American history, and it was not in 3-D. Also, there was SO much hype surrounding it because of how well The Dark Knight did, of course it would be hard to top it. But Christopher Nolan did a fantastic, FABULOUS, OUTSTANDING job.
I do like The Dark Knight better, in my opinion. But I disagree with how you say there was no tension, part of Gotham should have been destroyed, someone should have died…. whatever! It is how it is. I can tell you I was on the edge of my seat the entire time and I enjoyed every minute of it. Do not waste our time by writing pointless articles that no one will agree with. You disappoint me. This movie with forever remain as one of my favorites of all time.

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By: varun mehta https://cliqueclack.com/p/dark-knight-rises-failed/#comment-40 Sun, 16 Sep 2012 19:23:39 +0000 https://cliqueclack.com/p/?p=158#comment-40 Wow! so much criticism !

Well the movie was actually good.

The one I would say for anyone thought the movie was bad or failed. Its because of your expectations. Nolan is just a human being like you and us. When he made Batman Begins. it clicked and the people rose their expectations. then Nolan made the Dark Knight. he had his own vision and the movie turned out to be a great blockbuster both commercially and critically. Now people had gone crazy and set their expectations from where Even Batman would not exist LOL. What can Nolan do in this situation? He just made a film by his own vision. The Dark Knight Rises actually came pretty good but it wasn’t an answer to those expectations May Be ! who is at fault then? Nolan or the Public ? That’s what I love about Mathew Vaughnn who made X-men first class. That was exactly the question media asked him that about the expectations and he gives a Rat’s ass. he will make the film by his own just like Nolan.

Now people are expecting so much for The Avengers sequel? I hope we don’t see an article about the failure of that movie too, even if its a great box office grosser and acclaimed.

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