Comments on: I’m breaking up with Bones, and it feels good https://cliqueclack.com/p/bones-breaking-up/ Big voices. Little censors. Fri, 10 Apr 2015 14:43:24 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.1.1 By: 447 https://cliqueclack.com/p/bones-breaking-up/#comment-218 Thu, 20 Sep 2012 08:55:05 +0000 https://cliqueclack.com/p/?p=428#comment-218 Yes, it’s a bunch of romance novels, just that. It just illustrates that what was shown on Castle has been done better many times over in romance novels. Lady got shot, guy confesses his love, lady pretends she has not heard guy. Lady is again placed in a near death situation, realizes she wants guy, goes to guy, sleeps with guy. Cliche. But I guess it works, for people who like cliche. It was a disappointment because they built C&B up so much only to have them get together the way they did.

You are right, Bones and Castle are different shows, the characters have different backgrounds so what works for BONES may not necessarily work for Castle, and vice versa. What I enjoy in BONES more than the romance between B&B, is their PARTNERSHIP, with the team as their extended FAMILY.

My problem with Marlowe is what he says in interviews do not necessarily translate to well executed Castle episodes. Such a let down when you know some of the other shows that “inspired him” have done a better job.

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By: LKemp https://cliqueclack.com/p/bones-breaking-up/#comment-192 Wed, 19 Sep 2012 20:33:46 +0000 https://cliqueclack.com/p/?p=428#comment-192 Above, Joy says that people don’t like the same things. My youngest brother takes it further by saying that if you and I liked the same things, one of wouldn’t be necessary. I love Bones and have stuck with it thru some disappointing episodes. I started watching Castle from the beginning, but eventually became bored with it. Who knows? Maybe I’ll eventually come back as a fan. I love the opportunity DVDs give us. That’s how I’ve been brought back to The Mentalist. If we don’t like a show, then we have choices. It’s your right not to like Bones, but there are MANY of us who do.

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By: Joy https://cliqueclack.com/p/bones-breaking-up/#comment-189 Wed, 19 Sep 2012 20:08:26 +0000 https://cliqueclack.com/p/?p=428#comment-189 @447 Harlequin is a bunch of romance novels, right? So they basically are the stories about how people fall in love and end up getting together. While I can’t say much about them as I’m a sci-fi reader, I would think a romance novel is a better model than the soap-opera style Bones took on. A romance novel has: a plot which they follow through on, develops the characters through the plotline, and ends with the couple being together. A soap-opera is designed to never end and thus changes character traits, development and the timelines to suit the story purpose of the moment. The inconsistency of characters, the timelines that never add up, sudden brain tumors…

Lots of people like soap-opera style shows and there’s nothing wrong with that. However, Bones didn’t start out being that and that’s partly why people like me who used to watch it no longer do. On the other hand, Bones has picked up new viewers who obviously aren’t bothered by the inconsisteny in the story. Bones has a GREAT cast of talented actors and I don’t think anyone would deny that. Bottom-line: People don’t like the same things. It’s allowed. Aside from both having had a UST couple as a focus and being crime-dramedies ( a combination that’s been done on TV seemingly forever) Bones & Castle are very different shows.

I can also understand your belief that Marlowe’s plan is to break them up. It’s been what every show has done since Moonlighting. However, if you read Malowe’s interviews over the years up until now, he has always seen Castle as kind of noir love story. His intention has been to put them together and then follow them through the work of building and maintaining that relationship. Unlike showrunners of the past (not just Hanson) Marlowe did not take the industry’s golden rule about TV couple’s as fact. He talks about going back and RESEARCHING shows like Moonlighting to see for himself what did and didn’t work. He discovered what viewers have known for decades: what kills a show isn’t the couple starting a relationship. Rather it’s the stalling with unbelievable plots, the getting them together only to pull them apart two episodes later, in short, the dragging it out beyond belief. which kills a show. Being that he’s figured that out, I’m not worried about a sudden breakup. Tensions and fights – yes, those events will happen because those things happen when in a relationship.

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By: angie https://cliqueclack.com/p/bones-breaking-up/#comment-188 Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:28:50 +0000 https://cliqueclack.com/p/?p=428#comment-188 Castle had nothing against it huh?

I guess you don’t count H5O as serious, tough, and genuine competition then, huh?

Oh and for the record the reason Castle has never been moved from its timeslot is probably because its strong enough to hold off competition. I think building an audience every single season says more about the strength and quality of Castle than anything else.

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By: 447 https://cliqueclack.com/p/bones-breaking-up/#comment-183 Wed, 19 Sep 2012 18:14:36 +0000 https://cliqueclack.com/p/?p=428#comment-183 Oh so the HARLEQUIN-esque way of getting Castle and Beckett together is a better job. Let’s see how you’ll react WHEN Marlowe shakes/breaks them up.

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By: daniac https://cliqueclack.com/p/bones-breaking-up/#comment-168 Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:43:59 +0000 https://cliqueclack.com/p/?p=428#comment-168 I am on the break-up train as well. I did not even remember to tune into the premier which is never a good sign.

I am feeling the same about Criminal Minds – I had the finale on my dvr but just have not gotten around to watching it. I still like all of the characters it is just that what they are doing no longer holds my interest. I don’t know what will replace CM on Wed maybe shows I have dvr’d from Mon and Tues.

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By: Joy https://cliqueclack.com/p/bones-breaking-up/#comment-153 Wed, 19 Sep 2012 06:22:28 +0000 https://cliqueclack.com/p/?p=428#comment-153 Actually, you don’t have to wait until Castle gets a season 8. If you go back to the end of Bones season four and compare it to the end of Castle season four you can see that Castle is in a much better place going into its season five than Bones was. As you said, it’s not about the ratings. Regardless of being moved around or not moved around the issue is the stories themselves. Bones built the issues up to then do a soap-opera-like stall involving a brain tumor and a dream-sequence. Castle followed through on the relationship issues that had built up, brought them to a point of resolution and moved the relationship forward. Even if Castle doesn’t do eight seasons, storywise, it’s already done a better job.

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By: Joy https://cliqueclack.com/p/bones-breaking-up/#comment-152 Wed, 19 Sep 2012 06:02:17 +0000 https://cliqueclack.com/p/?p=428#comment-152 I totally understand Ivey. What has happened to Bones stems back to it’s 100th episode, which, as I recall, you were very unhappy with – and with good reason. What that episode signaled to me was that creator of Bones wasn’t really trying to tell a story. He was interested in trying to maintain a dynamic, which has been the mistake of many a television romance. He sacrificed the integrity of his story progression and characters for the sake of maintaining a sense of longing between the characters. He then chose to completely destroy the very same dynamic he was trying to save with the disaster of the “Hannah” storyline. He did this by once again sacrificing character integrity. It is hard to care about what happens to the characters on a show when the the writer obviously doesn’t care about the characters or their story.

The story of Bones involved two things. There was the general will they/won’t they – but the sudden brain tumor of season 4 made it pretty clear that HH wanted to stall that as much as possible. (I remember rolling my eyes at that one, but was still willing to play along because Emily and David gave it such real emotion:) The second, more compelling storyline was that of Brennan – would she ever come to accept that there was such a thing as love. This is why the 100th so marked “the beginning of the end.” They built that journey for her, let her reach the pinnacle of it in episode 98 where she is able to say that because of Booth she now did believe in love, only to throw away an almost 5 year journey and have Brennan react as though those 5 years never happened. That’s when I realized that HH wasn’t interested in the story at all, just in replaying the gimmick.

The only reason B&B are together NOW is because Emily was pregnant. Hanson’s original plan was to have them sleep together but then immediately break up. Why, because he wasn’t working with a story, but rather a gimmick. Ironically, this is the same thinking that was the ” final nail in the coffin” for Moonlighting. Despite all the problems and issues going on behind the scene, it was the idea that allowing them to actually be a couple would destroy the show that led to the two story decisions that DID destroy the show. The first was breaking up Maddie & David right after they get together. That decision was a story decision – not because Cybil Shepard was pregnant. They could have chosen any number of reasons why Maddie wasn’t around much. The SECOND decision was to have Maddie come back married to a guy she met on a train coming “home.” Shepard had protested her character would never do that – but it wasn’t about the character. The writers wanted to “recreate” that sexual tension they’d had in the beginning. They mistook the gimmick for what the audience was interested in, when what the audience was (and is) always interested in is the characters’ story. Bones made the exact same mistake.

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By: Joy https://cliqueclack.com/p/bones-breaking-up/#comment-150 Wed, 19 Sep 2012 03:30:27 +0000 https://cliqueclack.com/p/?p=428#comment-150 If you listen to the commentary for Bones season six it’s pretty clear that any good ideas that Carla Kettner had in her writing got rearranged and redone to fit Hart Hanson’s vision of what he wanted. In fact he made it VERY clear that it’s “good to be king” and that nothing gets on screen without his approval. If he doesn’t like it, he changes it. So whatever happens on screen it’s a safe bet that it’s exactly what Hanson wanted, and his writers – Kettner included – were just following orders. The issues on Bones are Hanson’s choices – except for Hannah, which Fox (thankfully) made him pull the plug on.

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By: Joy https://cliqueclack.com/p/bones-breaking-up/#comment-149 Wed, 19 Sep 2012 03:24:36 +0000 https://cliqueclack.com/p/?p=428#comment-149 If you listen to the commentary for Bones season six it’s pretty clear that any good ideas that Carla Kettner had in her writing got rearranged and redone to fit Hart Hanson’s vision of what he wanted. In fact he made it VERY clear that it’s “good to be king” and that nothing gets on screen without his approval. If he doesn’t like it, he changes it. So whatever happens on screen it’s a safe bet that it’s exactly what Hanson wanted, and his writers – Kettner included – were just following orders.

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