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The Walking Dead – Lots of tales

Between Shane's eulogy, the "well walker" exploit and Glenn and Maggie's "horizontal mambo" (and more), there certainly were a lot of references to "hooks" or "hook ups" this episdoe ... weren't there?

- Season 2, Episode 4 - "Cherokee Rose"

Sometimes, it’s rather amusing trying to figure out what could come out of titles to episodes. I had no clue what this week’s (“Cherokee Rose”) meant or where it would lead … but knowing how things work on The Walking Dead, there would certainly be a story in there somewhere. And there was. More on this later.

The opening held a very anticipatory moment: The first glimpse of the RV had me highly expectant the remainder of the group were coming to Herchel’s farm with a newly found Sophia in tow. But, as the group parked and revealed themselves, I literally threw up my hands and exclaimed: “What!? No Sophia … ?!?” (Yes, I talk directly to my television set sometimes.) I was somewhat amazed no one stayed back at the road during the daylight hours to continue the search for the girl. Just as befuddling was the fact Carol didn’t seem too distraught about her missing daughter, at least during the first few minutes of the episode. I may have even caught a glimpse of a smile as she came up to Lori and hugged her in understanding Carl was on the path to recovery.

And yes: Carl is out of the woods and well on the way to recovery.

The funeral for Otis was full of angst. Shane is put on the spot, Herchel asking him to say something on Otis’ behalf. Even though he claims he’s not good at eulogies, he’s further encouraged to speak at the behest of Otis’ wife. The interesting thing here is if you listen to him closely he never really does tell a lie about what happened. His manipulation of the story is pretty sly:

The downward spiral Shane is in — the continued degradation of his mind and justification of his actions — may be weighing heavily on him and he’s wrestling those demons the best he can. And part of the ulterior motive for him doing so? Beside covering his ass? The approval of Lori … as was evidenced by him later asking her if she “meant it” about him staying on with the group. More to come, be assured.

While the entire “well walker” debacle was a tad unique and innovative, I make comments about it below.

There were two spiffy character studies I got a bang out of during the episode: 1) The Herchel/Rick exchange about The Almighty and subsequent follow-up with our reluctant hero asking Herchel about reconsidering the group staying on at the farm; and, 2) The exchange with Daryl and Carol. It’s the latter I want to focus on.

While on the hunt for Sophia by his lonesome, Daryl finds evidence someone was recently at an abandoned house. He discovers a freshly opened tin of somesuch (Sardines? Biblical reference to the feeding of the 5,000?) and more. My first thought: “Meryl?” But it’s Sophia Daryl is focused on at the moment … and now the title of the episode comes into play: Daryl notices two Cherokee roses in the brush surrounding the house. Two of them, mind you. And while he emphatically states he isn’t “fool enough to believe there are no flowers blooming” for his brother in his exchange with Carol on his return to the RV, this is a little clue we could very well be seeing Meryl once more.

Then there’s the shopping trip to the pharmacy. Uh-huh. That scene … where we will now forever equate the term “going to the pharmacy” as a euphemism for sex as we witnessed Maggie and Glenn swoon and let their desire for one another take over. With all the goo-goo eyes they’ve been exchanging the last few episodes, you knew it was bound to happen. It was just a matter of when.

And everyone’s assumption Lori is pregnant was finally confirmed, too. We no longer need to think the little tryst she and Shane had in the woods last season or Jenner’s cryptic and unknown whisper to Rick at the CDC are fuel for our imaginations where she’s concerned. Lori certified our suspicions when she went out and peed in the bushes, pregnancy test in hand courtesy of Glenn’s shopping run with Maggie earlier.

The only question now: Who’s child is it? Rick’s? Shane’s?

Side Notes:

  • Regarding Dale’s query to Maggie about water at the beginning of the episode: The group stumbled onto that water truck on the highway during the season premiere, remember? One would think they have plenty of water for the time being.
  • The entire time Glenn was being pulled up out of the well during the “well walker” adventure? He had the noose with him. Right down to the very last scene before coming out the well. There was never any opportunity for him to snag it around “Bluto” … he was too committed to his panic at the time. Still, he somehow managed to rope that little doggie.
  • Speaking of the well walker, it’s probably just me but … there were some pretty gratuitous blood and guts spilling back down into the well along with Bluto’s lower half. The “Gratuitous Blood & Guts” department at The Walking Dead, Inc. certainly poured it on for that scene … didn’t they?
  • What was on the floor of the pantry closet Daryl saw? A blanket? A piece of clothing? I couldn’t tell.
  • Nifty little aside: In the preview for next week, we get a glimpse of Meryl saying “I just don’t think you gonna make it” to someone. Yep: It appears Meryl’s back!


“There are aspects to this … things I can’t and won’t discuss. ” — Herchel to Rick while discussing the terms of the group possibly staying at the farm

“If not for Otis, I’d have never made it out alive. And that goes for Carl, too. It was Otis … he saved us both …” — Shane speaking during the funeral for Otis

“I’m like you now. We’ve both been shot.” — Carl to his father during recovery


Photo Credit: AMC

19 Responses to “The Walking Dead – Lots of tales”

November 7, 2011 at 12:33 PM

I’m pretty sure Daryl saw a little blanket for a makeshift bed/hiding place in the pantry, which would lead one to believe Sophia had been there. The tin of sardines was still fresh, so she must be close by … hopefully she hasn’t fallen down a well too!

November 7, 2011 at 1:44 PM

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See? And that’s what I thought, Chuck. It has to be a blanket. I was looking for some other clue as to what it was, but that seems pretty obvious.

However … one big question comes to mind: What kid likes sardines … !?? If desperate enough to want something to eat, one would think one would eat anything they know is sustainable given the circumstances.

But … still …

November 7, 2011 at 2:03 PM

I’d be hard pressed to eat sardines even now, but maybe it was the only thing left that was edible. Or maybe Sophia really loves sardines! But the space would be too small for an adult to hide in, so it had to be a child … or a feral cat with opposable thumbs that opened the sardines! TWIST!

November 10, 2011 at 10:53 AM

I do and have always loathed sardines… **except** when I was on my outward bound trip being pushed to the limits of my bodies capacity day after day. One day it was all there was to eat so I ate them… they were amazing!!! Somehow your body knows what it needs to survive and makes it not only palatable but actually attractive. On that day, on top of that glacier sardines were the best food in the world… every day since my return from the pacific crest trail they have been untenable as a culinary option.

I’m pretty sure, if it was her, and she found the sardines… she gobbled them down without any significant effort or reluctance at all.

November 7, 2011 at 5:47 PM

I’m probably not the best example, but I’ve loved sardines for as long as I can remember. I would make little fishy sandwiches out of them with mustard and pickles.

Fish heads, fish heads. Roly poly fish heads…

November 7, 2011 at 5:50 PM

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Right there with you, Tom.

But … in this case, we’re talking survival, not tea time with sardine finger sammiches and cookies.

November 7, 2011 at 2:14 PM

the dead are walking, is the idea of Toonces the Thumb-Wresting Cat really that far-fetched?

November 7, 2011 at 6:53 PM

What is Herchel hiding? Why should everyone be unarmed?

November 7, 2011 at 7:14 PM

There must be something he is hiding in that barn. How many times did someone stare at it in this episode?

November 7, 2011 at 7:27 PM

Maybe its related to the Sloth from The Goonies/Kuato from Total Recall zombie hybrid they found in the well?

January 24, 2012 at 4:32 AM

I love reading these articles because they’re short but infomartvie.

November 7, 2011 at 7:14 PM

I have a good idea (having read the books), but I’m a little surprised the show is going there.

November 7, 2011 at 7:18 PM

. . . . .

To be determined …

November 7, 2011 at 8:49 PM

During this episode I was chatting with a couple of friends. None of us liked it much and found it predictable and simultaneously aggravating. Here’s to next week being more interesting and much more thrilling.

November 7, 2011 at 9:32 PM

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Well, whereas I huffed and puffed about the second episode of the season (“A rather plodding episode” I called it; there’s a link above beneath the “related posts” section), this one I approved of for the most part. The character studies trip my trigger and I dig’em.

There is definitely more to come, Marissa … things which will make your jaw drop.

November 10, 2011 at 10:57 AM

I thought this was one of the better ep’s of the season, actually. Part of that was validation of suspicions that I had developed over the past few episodes (the “trip to the pharmacy” and the pregnancy for example). There could have been a bit more action, and I am getting tired of everyone talking in hushed tones… not necessary right now kids!!! But, overall, I thought they did a good job with this one…

November 8, 2011 at 2:58 PM

The gorefest that was this episode made my stomach turn. Ew! But I’m admittedly a little squeamish anyways.

I’m really liking Daryl lately. How sweet was he with Carol?

And I’m very interested to see what the deal is with Herschel & Co. I noticed a young man and woman at the funeral scene that I hadn’t noticed in previous episodes…were they “new” to this episode or had I just missed them?

November 10, 2011 at 8:39 AM

Again a horrible episode. Again totally stupid decisions. There’s a dead “thing” in a well – what do we do? We try to get it out. Like they said on “Talking Dead” afterwards – NOBODY would drink from that well for ages even if it was just a REGULAR dead person. But that not being enough no we decide to drop someone down there. And the guy actually agrees, being a nerdy kid and everything OF COURSE he would agree. Because nothing is better than getting eaten alive by something for water. Friggin water. Even when there’s a river nearby you could get water from – you know, actual RUNNING water.

The level of stupidity on the show is mind-boggling. Nobody is acting in-character.

The whining is at a level that is unbearable. And the talking about the meaning “of all this” is so extreme it makes me want to destroy my eardrums so I don’t have to listen to that dribble anymore. They have power now, they even have bread, nobody died (of the core group) and still everyone is whining like a crybaby. Oh woe is me. God, why doth thou hath forsaken us?

Bla bla bla bla – whine whine whine – studpid decision – whine some more.

And on top of that absolutely idiotic act breaks and cuts. Getting water from the well? Ok. Old guy hears something. Lurches towards well. Cut to big black dude getting a ladle of water – old guy bashes ladle from black dude’s hand. How on earth did he get over there? That was at least nine to twelve feet in the other shot. What did he do? Casually walk over there in the seconds the ladle was dipped into the bucket? Did he zoom there? Teleport over a short distance? If he started RUNNING from the well, black guy would have reacted to that. Old guy could’ve yelled. But no. He’s just there to bash away the ladle.

And the same stupid and idiotic cutting as last episode. No intelligent setup there for what happened during the flight. Instead just a commercial break and then the drive up to the house, totally pulling the viewer out of the story. This second the two are running from the zombies and the next he’s driving up to the house – alone. Instead of maybe taking five to ten seconds from all the talking and whining “exposition” and showing maybe police dude’s face before coming to a decision on what to do, they just go to a commercial break and then show maybe a two second drive up to the house.

The writing is horrible, the direction is horrible as well. I can’t judge if the acting is bad because I don’t know what the actors would be capable of if the production wasn’t this bad. Watching “Talking Dead” every week after the show is a pain. The comedians, actors and experts have a hell of a time not criticizing the show into the ground. Instead they mention the criticism and then just brush over it or via shouting like they did at Rainn Wilson’s tweet.

What’s worse is that when you listen to the Nerdist podcast you know that they are such extreme Zombie flic fanboys there that, mentioning bad Zombie scenes in movies so many times that you know that Hardwick on Talking Dead KNOWS what to criticize and just doesn’t because his jobs demands of him to spin this crap to the audience as being awesome. This week they didn’t even manage to transport the coolness of a Zombie Research Group as a tool to have scientists enjoy fussing over possible outbreaks in the real world with a fun spin. “What if” with Zombies instead of the flu, like a fun brain exercise for biologists/outbreak specialists.

Not even the gore levels are at a point where you could just turn your brain off and enjoy it. It’s all one giant “Cellphone not working” scene for 40 minutes.

November 10, 2011 at 11:34 AM

I understand that the scene with Shane suddenly arriving at the house without us knowing what happened was jarring — I even said to myself, “did I miss something” — but it made sense in the context of the scene as Shane related his version of what happened, intercut with the actual events leading up to Otis’ death. It became more of an OMG moment when we saw what Shane did in order to get away and try to help Carl than it would have if the entire sequence had just been shown in a linear manner from start to finish.

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